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Calluna · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Jasmine's mom - a survey

I'm still not 100% sure what to think about that new Jasmine video, but whatever else it is it has got me thinking about a lot of Aladdin-related topics I hadn't really considered before, and one of them is Jas's mom and what happened to her.

Most of the picture books seem to imply that she died when Jas was old enough to remember her, and in a lot of fics she's murdered in some Jafar-related plot. My original thought back when I was a kid was that she'd died in some kind of plague which had also killed Aladdin's mom (the Great Mother-Killing Virus of '83? Laughing

), but as you can guess I'm not too hot on that idea anymore.

I know my assumptions about these kinds of things tend to be radically different from other people's, so I'm just kind wondering what you all think. If you're not sure just post your gut reaction; this is purely for my own curiosity. Laughing

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AladdinsGenie · Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:03 am Post subject:

"Accident" and "Disease" have always been my top choices. (This sounds like a terrible game of Aladdin!Clue Laughing

) I use to think child birth when I was younger, but then I started reading books that, like you said, implied Jasmine was at least a toddler old enough to remember being told stories by her that changed my mind.

I think I lean more towards disease, though, just to kinda justify in my head the sultan maybe keeping Jasmine inside the palace walls a little more than usual to keep her from all that. One of those "She can't get sick and die if she doesn't go out there where all the diseases are at" type things. I just find it a bit much she's been in isolation for almost 16 years, even for a princess. Even in the original story the princess was allowed out. She was fully veiled and there was death upon anyone who looked at her when they were suppose to be locked away in their houses while she went sight-seeing, but she did get out Laughing

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Just off the bat, "On a trip (because I dunno, I have the feeling her mother was really out-going and liked to travel), she caught a disease, it didn't kick in until some months later, her health slowly got worse, and it eventually killed her" is my random base theory. I can't get that out of my head just like I can't get the image of Aladdin's mother dying in her sleep from all around stress, sickness, sadness, etc. out of my head. I don't know why.

And as much of a bastard as Jafar can be, I really can't see him killing off the Queen for funsies. I mean, what did he expect to gain from that? Become Queen himself? Laughing

Iago had to give him the idea to drop Jasmine and the sultan off a cliff when he was done with them as it is, soo....

Merkal · Sultan Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 466 Location: NL

I go with disease because it seems the most plausible. Accident maybe.. I'm in doubt. She's obivousily not alive somewhere, Jafar would like already said not gain much by taking her out the loop unless she exposed his evil plan to rule the world someday.

Childbirth, to tragic for her daughter (you know the I killed my mom guilt like in movies and TV) and thebooks say otherwise anyway.
Other, open book could be anything. From being vanished during a diplomatic party to who knows what.

Emmlei · Prince/Princess Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 184

I voted disease, simply as most plausible. Accident and other just seem too complicated, and definately not a plot by Jafar.
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Calluna · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject:

AladdinsGenie · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject:

Calluna · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject:

AladdinsGenie · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:53 am Post subject:

Aww, slow torture and misery of any kind just doesn't seem to be her thing Laughing

. She was just about distraught over the situation with the people of Quirkistan, she was pleading for Jafar to stop letting Iago shove crackers down her father's throat (I almost wanna say Jafar is completely aware of that, too, because even in ROJ he threatened if she didn't stop talking back her father wasn't going to remain healthy. If he was around for the death of her mother and saw how she reacted to that, that would be the perfect thing to strike. Hm...), and wasn't thrilled about Amok slamming Genie against the wall over and over again and beating him up in general either.

Syera · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:16 am Post subject:

I have a thing against slow and painful, too, but it doesn't make me a 'dentist.'

Wait...

Okay, now seriously...

I don't have any emotional scars involving a long and painful death, but I sure's heck don't like seeing anyone suffer. I think in this case we might be reading into Jasmine's behaviors a little too far.

As for Jafar's remark about the sultan "staying healthy," I believe he was making a dramatic understatement. Think of it more like "If you want your father to stay healthy, if you know what I mean."
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AladdinsGenie · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:47 am Post subject:

That's nice; you're not Jasmine, though. Besides, dentists aren't that bad Laughing

What I'm trying to say is she doesn't come off to me as the type of person that could watch something be dragged out like that, whereas some people can. Kind of one of those pull the plug now or let them live it out type situations. She seems to me to be more of a crush them quick and get it over with type girl because Jasmine's patience is very low. No one really likes watching suffering, but there's more than one way to handle it.

Exactly. He could have threatened to kill him, it's not like death is completely out of Jafar's range, and instead he pulled that card. He didn't say he would kill him; just that he wouldn't be in the best of states, which might lead to death because sultan isn't the fittest of people. If he didn't think that would mean something to her, I don't think he would have said that because what would be the point? Hell, he could have said if you don't be quiet, I'll do something to YOU, but instead he went straight to her father. That has to hold some weight.

Calluna · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:

Well, yeah, but he's a genie. Rule number one? Laughing

I'm sure he'd just get Abis Mal or Iago or someone to do it, but, still... Wink

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Syera · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject:

You missed the SGA reference, didn't you...?

I think Jafar was threatening to have the Sultan killed. Think of it like this:

"You'll give me the money if you want your wife to stay healthy, you know what I mean?" *cue video of villain holding gun to woman's head*

I can't think of any examples right off hand, but it happens in TV often enough.
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Calluna · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:

Not sure if that was directed at me or AG, but if it was me I'm the one who wasn't ever an SGA fan. Laughing

But I'd always assumed he was threatening to kill Sultan, but it just occured to me that he can't actually do that anyway.
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AladdinsGenie · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject:

Syera · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject:

No, it's from season 1 - the special features on the DVD. "I've been doing things with girls' mouths since I was sixteen, but I don't consider myself a dentist."

It's one of my favorite lines ever for some reason. Razz

@Calluna: the film made it pretty clear that there was a way around it: "...Which means I can't kill anyone, unless I have someone arrange it for me."

IE, he couldn't directly kill anyone, but he could get someone else to do it for him.
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